Like a lot of people think racing motocross seems easier than racing Supercross, but I always grew up kind of doing the indoor stuff and mm-hmm. That feels safer to me 'cause you're not going 80, 70 mile an hour or whatever. And there was times he was going like four seconds lap faster than everybody in the field.

That's never gonna happen ever again. Now, if somebody qualifies like a half a second lap faster than the rest of the field, that's like huge. Logan Carnell is a professional Supercross racer in a social media personality. He is a privateer and is an OnlyFans athlete. He did not take the usual path to becoming a pro, but he has made it work and is one of the nicest guys you will meet.

If all of you guys had the same support, I'm not saying that you'd be winning necessarily, but you'd be a hell of a lot closer. The factory bikes are pretty good and you watch them like Case some jumps out there and you're like, dude, if that was me, the case of that jump, I would've died. What actually was the injury?

I just broke my fib and they just played that. That was easy. They just put me in a soft cast. Pretty gross. 'cause I kinda like took this off, cast off one day because it had zero anything holding it straight. How did that go down, like when you first announced you were gonna ride for any fans? I kind of got a lot of hate 'cause I was the first one to kind of do it.

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I don't know if you heard, uh, probably, well, certainly everyone in the mountain bike world heard, but like, um, I don't know. It was on a podcast, I can't remember. Was it on maybe like gypsy tails that Ken Roxon said that he wants to like, make a transition over to downhill, uh, or maybe, um, at a certain point in the next couple of years.

Oh wow. So did you hear that or not? That's great. No, I never heard that. That's crazy though. Like dude, even those little hills, we went down. Well, big to me, a little to you probably was just insane. Like honestly, dude, I look at some of the stuff you do like going down these like rock gardens and stuff like that.

Going like, I don't even know, 30 mile an hour or something like that. It's ridiculous. Like how do you think that's fun? That looks so terrifying. Well, yeah. I guess we could ask the same question about like being in the gate with like 40 dudes about to go. Like, yeah, guess full throttle and only one guy's gonna get there first.

That is, that is true. I guess just when you grow up doing stuff, it just becomes natural. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like everything that you're not used to is for someone else. It's pretty crazy. Like if I look at like a big wave surfer or something, I'm like, dude, these guys are nuts. Like, or whatever skiers that are, or snowboarders that are doing crazy stuff like, and they look at what we do or they look at what you do and they're like, what the hell?

So I think it's just like. Or what about like American football or something? Like, I can't, like running at a freaking linebacker. Like, like I would not wanna be doing that. So, um, I guess it's kind of, yeah, it's kinda like trained into you. It's like this, like a lot of people like think racing motocross seems easier than racing Supercross, but I always grew up kind of doing the indoor stuff.

Mm-hmm. And that feels safer to me 'cause you're, you're not going fourth gear wide open. You're not going 80, 70 mile an hour, whatever. But more people think kind of the jumps in the whoops and all that stuff are sketchy. But I feel like safer around that stuff than going like third, fourth wide open on a four 50.

It's just so different how people, you know, kind of grow up, to be honest. I mean. Just from the outside, like from what I've done, like obviously Supercross is maybe a little bit more relatable to like BMX as opposed to like outdoors, which is just like, I, I don't know, like, it's weird because like you see so many guys get injured in Supercross, but I, I think if someone like put a, put a gun to my head and was like, you need to do one or the other, maybe I'd pick Supercross obviously, like you need to, you need to get, get into it.

'cause it's a whole new skill in itself to learn. But it seems like, it seems more fun, like, because it's kind of like the tracks are more prepped. Like obviously they get pretty gnarly on race day, but like a Supercross track scene, it's not like you, yeah, you're on the, on the rev limits the whole time.

Unless you're Tomac maybe. But yeah, I, I agree dude. I think the, the BMX thing definitely helps with the Supercross with. Just like little stuff, just like, I dunno, like, just like manually a tabletop, like if say you need to, or just, I don't know, just a bunch of like little techie stuff. I, I, I do notice like the BMX background does help a lot.

There's a few other guys that used to ride BMXA lot too. Like I actually just went golfing with Jeremy McGrath, uh, like two weeks ago now, and we were talking about that a lot. He used to race, race BMX and he blames, uh, or help. So a lot of his success came from that. Yeah, I, I remember, I mean obviously Jeremy was a, a little bit before my time, but, um, I do remember in interviews and stuff he said he had a BMX background, which helped him a lot.

Like, you know, to flow and keep that speed. And, um, honestly, I think that's for, I mean for whether it's for mountain biking or for motor, I think it's a huge, huge help, especially when you're a young kid, that's where you kind of learn the basics of like how to flow and, and, and how to be smooth. 'cause like, BMXs don't have suspensions, so like, you can't, you can't be coming up short.

Like it's not gonna be fun. Shit hurts. I feel like, like riding VMXI felt like was harder on my body than riding Moto, obviously, unless you had like a big crash or something. But yeah, the no suspension thing. You hit like a big, like box jump or something, you case that thing a little bit. Like you can feel it.

Yeah. And it's insane when you, when you watch like Street BMX or whatever, and these guys are like doing massive threes or whatever down, down like two stair sets and too flat, like no suspension, just like that cannot be good for you. No, I couldn't agree more. Yeah, those guys are nuts. I think that to me, the BMXs are even gnarlier than the skateboarders because like skateboarding you, it's much easier to, to bail out of something and you, you don't have like a bike between your legs, but like when you're watching the BMX dudes, I'm just like, when it goes wrong, like, and most of the time they don't wear helmets either.

Um, which is just like, I don't know, to me dumb. But yeah, I guess it's like not cool to wear a helmet. But, uh, it's funny when you, when when you, when you are young, then it's always like, yeah, like wanna be like cool and like don't wanna wear a protection or whatever, and then you have a few big crashes and you're like, ah, okay.

Maybe I'll, maybe I'll wear some protection. Yeah. It doesn't hurt to have it on. That's her name, I'm sure. But yeah, I, I just thought that was super interesting when I heard the, the, the gypsy sales interview with, with about Ken and, and then he was like, yeah, maybe I'll come to downhill. And I was like, that, that'll be, I'd love to see that.

To be honest, like it's a bold, I mean, it's a bold move. I, I don't know how you do, like, I haven't seen him, um, on a mountain bike really? Um, I know that he does ride, but still that it would be pretty sick, like if someone did that. Yeah, for sure. That would be sick. Um, he's a legend. It's, uh, yeah, I think they, the, the two sports compliment each other really well.

Um, but I don't know, is there like a, I think a lot of the downhill guys follow the motocross team, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure as much in, you know, the opposite way around. Um, I, I, I don't ever really watch the downhill stuff that much. I'm more. Like I said, I grew up doing BMX, so if I wanna like watch the, like bicycles, I always like watching like the park stuff mm-hmm.

And dirt jumps and stuff like that. But I feel like, uh, the downhill stuff is more, like, more like related to like motocross, like rough tracks and, I don't know, just a little different. Yeah. Well, rough tracks. I mean, I saw some of the Supercross arounds this year, and it did not, it did not look too, too fun to be honest.

When it got to the main event, there was a couple that were pretty scary. That motor Race was the craziest race I've ever raced in my entire life. Dude. It's, yeah. I don't know. I mean, like, well, that's a good, good, uh, segue. Uh, so you just got done with a season, um, yeah. How, what, how was it for you from your perspective?

Uh, yeah. Happy. Not happy? Uh, yeah. How'd it go? I would say I'd give it like a, give her like a c plus. Overall. I wasn't like super pumped on it. I really wanted to make some main events. I made every. I qualified for every race. Yeah. Which, that shouldn't be an accomplishment, but I mean, it kind of was based off kind of how last year went.

Mm. I got injured at the first race last year, obviously, and wasn't able to race at all, so I lost a lot of racing time that my competitors got. So that's always gonna put you a little bit behind the eight ball. But I don't know. I think overall, I mean, I was close to a couple main events. I was battling with some guys that I kind of surprised myself that I was able to battle with after not being able to race last year.

And yeah, I don't know. Overall you always wanna be a little bit better, I think, but I would've been happy with my season if I could have snuck it into a couple main events. Mm-hmm. But I mean, there was guys that I was beating on the weekends. I had qualified for the main events. I'll just kind of put myself in shitty spots with, uh, the starts.

As much as, I don't wanna say that didn't affect me, that start, it definitely did. At first I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna be a little bit timid. But then I was like, dude, I, the thing between my ears, dude kept. Making me shut off on the thro a little bit too early, which sucked. I had so many good starts too.

But I was just, uh, actually the last race I kind of held it out on onto the start and I got pushed right off the track and there was another pile up. It was like, almost like a deja vu. I was like, god dang, the one fucking race that I actually hold it on. Yeah. Pushed off the track. But I guess it's pretty, it's all good, dude.

It's pretty, uh, I mean it's quite a, I would imagine it's quite a mental, um, challenge. Like, especially like with that's where you got injured last year, um, you know, off the start. So like, you know, I know how that is like dealing with injuries and it's sometimes pretty hard to, to get over that hurdle.

Yeah, for sure. And it's like, it's safer if you get up front though. Like it's just that initial, just getting up there. 'cause I'm kind of back riding with guys that I'm better than and they're kind of all over the place. It gets, gets a little hairy. We've almost had a, a lot of close calls, but yeah, I, I'm happy though.

I was able to get through all the races, build off this season and. Work my ass off for next year and hopefully come out swinging. Yeah. I mean, like, I don't think you should be too disappointed. Like, I mean, it's kind of, it's so crazy because people like look at at, um, someone like yourself, like you like, oh man, I really wanna make a Maine or whatever.

Um, but you were close. But then like from the outside, I'm sure you, you'll get guys that are like, yeah, you know, whatever. Like, you look at the, the top three or top five or top 10, and then everyone else kind of like, they, they kind of like talk down to everyone else. Um, but it's like, these are the, like, you guys are the best guys in the world.

Like, it's like the top guys in the world. So it's like, if I, if I came out to a track and watched you without like, Tomac there or Sexton, you'd be like, holy shit. Like, like you can't go faster than this. Like, it's, it's not possible, you know, but it's just like the level is so ridiculous. Um, so yeah, I mean, and especially after missing a whole year, like, I don't think it should be too bummed at all.

That's absolutely, you hit the nail on the head right there. Like you watch the slowest guy on a Saturday, and, but you watch him at his local trek, you would think you can't ride a dirt bike any faster than that. And those guys get like shit on, like, dude, they're also very, very, very good riders. Like I got, I kind of get a lot of hate because I'm a little bit controversial, whatever, but dude, I probably got like 10 messages from people on social media, like, oh dude, can't even make a main event.

I'm like, dude, it is so hard to make a main event, to be the top 22 guys in the world, in the four 50 class in the elite class. Like it's, it's so gnarly. Like it got started getting under my skin. I was like, dude, get your fucking ass out there and do it. Then it's, it's not that easy because, uh, in 2023 I had a pretty good year, but there was quite a few guys hurt.

There was only like three or four factory bikes that it ended up in the, in the field towards the end of the races, but. There was some heat races this year that were more stacked than some of the main events that I qualified for two years ago. It was insane. Like, like, like say like a guy like Justin Starling or a guy like Kevin Morans, like these guys are legitimately getting like thirteenths in some of these heat races.

Like, and they were getting almost top tens in 2023 in the main events. Like the year was really tough even though some guys did go out like the Lawrence Brothers and a couple other guys. Man, was it still tough though? Makes me wanna jump back down to the two 50 class, which also is not easy, but definitely a little easier than the four 50 class.

Yeah, I mean if you look at the four 50 class and so many guys have won races, one championships, like it's just like people don't understand like, and we kind of get the same thing to a degree in the mountain biking side. Like you, you've gotta qualify for the main uh, event on Sunday essentially. And like you could come, I don't know, 40th.

45th 50th. And it's like when you tell someone outside the sport, you're like, oh, I got, you know, 50th at the World Cup or whatever, and they're like, Hmm, okay, well, like it's pretty stuck. Right? You know, like, like these are the best guys like in the world. Like it's, it's, you know, if someone came and watched me ride without the top guys being there, they'd be like, wow, holy shit.

Like, yeah, you know, you can ride, but then you, you're riding there with the best guys and of course then you feel, you feel like you can't ride a bike because, you know, they just do stuff where you just like, you know, and I guess it's kind of the same to you, uh, for you, uh, to a degree. You know, you see like guys like Jet Lawrence and Sexton and stuff, like doing, doing something or doing a rhythm section.

Just like what, like Yeah. It's like, it is, yeah. I heard an interview with, um, with, uh, Carmichael. Um, might've also been on Gypsy Tails, I'm not sure. And, uh, he was saying that like James would do stuff. Which he was just like, wish he was hoping he wasn't gonna do it, but then he did it and he was like, now I have to do it.

He's like, shit. Mm-hmm. And there was some stories. I know that he, he would do something once in practice, hope nobody saw it so he could pull it. Only in the race. Just, just an animal. Do, do you think, like, who's in your opinion, the, the best, the best? Um, Supercross rider of all time. I mean, it's hard to not go and the, he's got the most championships.

Okay. In terms of raw speed. Ooh, stu, that's, I mean, Stu for sure, because back when he was racing one 20 fives and stuff, and even in, even in the two 50 class, he, uh, I mean, there was times he was going like four seconds a lap faster than everybody in the field. That's never gonna happen ever again. Now, if somebody qualifies like a half a second, a lap faster than the rest of the field, that's like huge.

But back then he was, you know, skimming the, whoops, like a maniac on a 1 25. Four or five seconds a lap faster, he was going than people at times. And that's just something that's never gonna happen again. So I feel like you gotta go stew. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, like, I kind of also wonder like, okay, what, what's the most exciting to watch?

Like, do you wanna watch the guy that's winning every race or do you wanna watch the guy that's either gonna be absolutely smoking the field, all gonna have a big crash? Which is pretty much, pretty much Stu and I think like it's, uh, it's a bit sad in a way that, 'cause I feel like he, he should have won a lot more championships than he did, but at the same time I was like, well, if he had changed and become like more consistent and, and whatever, then he wouldn't have been what he, what he is.

So it, yeah. Uh, I guess like, I think it was pretty cool to, to be able to watch that era. Yeah. I, I think at one point when he was racing the two 50 class, he had a 100%. Winning. He won every single race he didn't crash on. And I think that that stat went on for like over a year. I'm like, that is insane.

That's wild. Like, yeah. Oh man. And now you watch now and it's like, I kind of wonder, like I'd love to see everyone at their best, you know, like racing each other because it's like, you know, you've always got the different eras and it's like a who's, who's better than who. Um, but uh, that's a kind of a cool talking point.

'cause me and my buddy have talked about this before, like, like the last race that, uh, Ricky Carmichael did in 2007 at Jacksonville Supercross. Him and James Stewart were absolutely going so fast and we kind of started like bench racing. Like how do you think they would do if they lined up right now? I mean, that's such a hard question to answer though.

I feel like because the bikes have gotten so much better, suspension's gotten better, the bikes have gotten faster. The, the technique has completely evolved. But I dunno, it'd be kind of crazy to see, man, like if a time machine were possible, I'd love to see that. I also, like, I remember that race that you're talking about, like, and I'll never forget it, like, 'cause obviously kind of burned into my memory, like it was such, it wasn't just Artie's last race, but it was like, it was a rad race.

Like, they went back and forth and like James won, but it was pretty impressive how close, uh, Ricky was. Um, but they hold their technique and everything. They look nothing like what the guy, you know, what the guys look like today. Like everyone kind of, it's gonna sound controversial, but it kind of looks in a way, a little bit more boring now.

Like everyone's so clean and like perfect technique and toes on the pigs and like those guys were just like throttle wide open, like bike going sideways. It was pretty sick to watch. They all look like Justin bars back in the day. I feel like now everyone just, yeah. Looks like a ballet out there. You watch the Jet and Hunter and Kenny and even Webb, like, they just, they're all just so smooth.

Like it's so insane to watch. And they're, I watch them ride. I'm like, dude, dude, it doesn't even look like he's trying. And then I go out there and put my best lap I possibly can down. I'm like fist pumping. I was like the best lap I could do. And it's like four and a half, five seconds slower than Jet who looks like he's not even trying.

I'm like, dude, what the fuck, man? I know ex I know exactly how you feel. Uh, 'cause I have the same thing in the downhill. Yeah. I, I was gonna ask you that of your life. And it's like, I cannot go faster. Like that is the limit of what the bike can handle. Like, I'm gonna blow my hands off if I go faster. And then you come down and you get smoked by like 10 seconds and you're like, like what?

Like how guys are guys are just insane. But uh, I mean, yeah, I think like also the fact that you're a privateer. And I mean, that's another thing, like you missed a whole year of racing last year and being, nevermind the fact that you're a private tier, like going up against all these factory dudes, better bikes.

Like the, the support is just insane. Like, so I think like it's always a very skewed sort of perception of how good everyone is. Um, obviously the top guys are the top guys for a reason, but then I feel like if all of you guys had the same support, I'm not saying that you'd be winning necessarily, but you'd be a hell of a lot closer, you know?

For sure. Yeah. The, the, the factory bikes are pretty good. Like, I mean, you watch them like case and jumps out there and you're like, dude, if that was me the case that jump, I would've died. Like, but no, for sure. I think, I mean the factory guys have their rides for a reason 'cause they were always the best growing up.

But I do think being on a factory bike it, it would help. But I I, I really don't think it'd be that, that much difference. Maybe four to five positions better. I mean, you still gotta know how to ride the bike, but, and, and how much difference do you think the rest makes? So like, not just the bike, but like the, you know, everything around, you know, having everything prepared for you.

Meals like masseuse, trainers, like everything's all done. Like, be a little prima Madonna. It'd be nice. Me and my buddy, me and my mechanic, we're always at the race on like Thursday, Friday setting everything up. We got the fucking nail guns, strapping everything down and definitely not getting massages and stuff, you know, but it, it's cool.

Dude, I'm, I, I'm stoked on the kind of little program that I've even been able to build for myself though. It's, it's pretty cool. Like, I don't have to, I don't have to go to like, team meetings or team dinners and all this stuff. Just me and the boys and live our best lives. Shout out OnlyFans though, you know, they hook it up, they hook it up pretty good and couldn't do it without them.

That's pretty damn sure. On the OnlyFans topic, so. How did that, um, yeah, how did that go down? Like when you first announced you were gonna write for any fans Back in 23, I kind of got a lot of hate 'cause I was the first one to kind of do it, to be honest with you. 'cause I reached out, I did it the right way, dude.

I reached out to all the main social media outlets like Racer X and transworld and Vital MX and everybody. So when I released the news, it was also everywhere else. It was all planned. And yeah, man, reading some of the comments, I was like, damn, dude. All right. People are soft, but hey man, like only fans is the sickest company in the world and people need to, uh, the world's changing a little bit, so they need to, uh, not be pussies,

but yeah, for sure. Definitely, definitely got some heat. I mean, I'm sure you have as well, but it's, uh, they're, they're so great to us and I don't know, they just, uh. Like I said, they need not be pussies, but you, you kind of did it like, 'cause you didn't, you first started working with some creators right before you actually got sponsored by the brand 2022.

I was riding for this guy. He was kind of like a local guy around here, apparently his money, big money guy. And offered me like a, like a decent salary to ride for him and he paid for everything, pay my mechanic and everything. I was like, oh shit, dude. That's, that's sweet. Actually, I shook the dude's hand literally right next to where I'm sitting right now.

This either deal. Yeah. But um, yeah, so the first few rounds went okay. Like he was kind of doing stuff, what he said he was going to and kind of being a little, little weird on some other stuff. And after Daytona Supercross in 2022, he sent me a, a text about this big, basically accusing me of everything under the sun that I vandalized all of his stuff and I've lied about everything and all this complete bullshit and.

And yeah, he, uh, he said he was gonna report the bikes as stolen and all this absolute bullshit, dude. 'cause I like so pride myself on being a good dude to everybody that I meet. And this dude just, I don't think he had the money to pay me, so he wanted to make it look like he was whatever. Enough about this dude.

But, uh, yeah, after that happened, uh, the next race I just, my next biggest sponsor was Naira Pistons at the time. So I put them on my shroud for that weekend. And then, uh, a girl named Hannah Ray, she reached out to me. Uh, after that, after that weekend in Detroit, I was actually able to make the main event, the four 50 main event that weekend.

So it was kind of like a little Cinderella story and this dude fucked me over and I've started, I'm starting to do better now, but, um, yeah, she reached out to me. So I ended up getting her, her handle on my shroud for Indie Supercross, and I ended up winning the LCQ with that one. So even more of a Cinderella story.

It was pretty cool. Um, and then after that she had a lot of success with that, with her OnlyFans, like kind of blowing up. 'cause there's a bunch of people, a bunch of horny people in this sport, I guess. So she saw her, she saw her numbers go up like crazy. Um, and then after that, yeah, dude, a bunch of OnlyFans girls kind of started reaching out to me 'cause they saw the success that she had with OnlyFans and, and I'd make a little bit of money as well.

And it was marketable whether you like it or not. People were talking about it a lot. Um, and then after that whole season, it ended the season great. A bunch of girls like started helping me out and stuff. So I was like, I didn't really think about reaching out to OnlyFans until like, I don't know, like three and a half or four months before the season.

Um, my agent at the time, he's like, well, why don't you just try to reach out to them, see what they do. I'm like, all right. So I just found the, a basic email from them and actually had a call with Dylan, not, not long after that. And I. It's been amazing for the last three years with them. It's, I don't know, which was it?

Maybe Pulp mx. You, you did a podcast not too long after that. Was it Pulp mx? Yeah. I was on most of the, most of the pods. Like I did a vital pod and pulp on, I can't remember which one it was, but like, that's why I reached out to any fans, um, was Oh, really? Was the one of those podcasts where you on?

Honestly, like, I didn't know. I didn't really think about it before. I didn't really think about a social media platform, like, as being a sponsor. Like, uh, I wasn't sort of aware that was a thing. And then I heard you on the podcast and obviously everyone was talking about it and um, and I was like, wow, that's interesting.

And then you even said on the podcast, you're like, yeah, I just reached out, I think to their email address and their Instagram page or something. Mm-hmm. And I was just like, well. I might as well. I might as well work. Work the shot. Right. It worked for you and uh, yeah, crazy. Here we are. That's sweet. Did it kind of, it kind of worked out the same way.

I ended up getting like a follow from Dylan and then he reached out to me direct on over email and yeah, it pretty crazy man. It's just, yeah, it's pretty insane. And it was just pure luck really, because, I mean, I don't. Like, I follow motocross and Supercross pretty closely, but I don't listen to every podcast.

Um, and I happen to listen to that one. Um, and I didn't know you before that. Um, but I just thought, I was like, oh, that's interesting. Like OnlyFans in, in, in motocross, like let's have a listen. And then yeah, that's how it all worked out, so. Hmm. That's sweet. I never knew that, actually. I never knew. That's why you actually reached out.

That's pretty cool. So yeah, honestly, if I didn't listen to that podcast, I would've never reached out and we would not be having this conversation. So you listened to that podcast and somehow you ended up in Ohio Mount dirt riding dirt bikes with me. Yeah. Like a year later. That's crazy. Not, I don't even know if it was a year, maybe even less than a year.

I ended up in Ohio, like riding mountain bikes with you and, and Mo. Yeah. That was pretty sick. Yeah, that was right. That track was sick too, wasn't it? Man, they a good job over there. I would've liked to have a bit more time, like a week there just to like ride every day. Would've been pretty sick. Got you.

Hooked up with a brand new Cowie two 50 after ride. Oh yeah. That was awesome. I'll say though, that the track was a little bit challenging for me. I'd never ridden a track that had been like, plowed like that before. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, that was kind of something to get used to. Um, the tracks in it was deep.

Yeah. It was really deep. Like you had to like stay on the gas, like almost tucked the front a few times. 'cause as I'd like get off the gas, I was like, just like completely Yeah. Sunk in. Um, yeah. But yeah, that was, that was a good time. I'd love to, I'd love to do something again or come out to, I keep saying I'm gonna come out to the Supercross.

Yeah. Hopefully you for next season. Dude. Anytime you let me know, I'll hook you. I'll, I'll hook you up. Was it, there wasn't a Nashville round or was there a Nashville round this year? Not this year. They're apparently, they're like rebuilding the stadium. Okay. Because, or something. I actually went to Nashville, that race is a couple weeks ago and it was sick.

Oh, you did? It was sick. Oh dude. Nashville's a good time. So, uh, yeah, if there's one there again, I'd love to, to combine that. That was, that was pretty cool. Um, yeah, that's a fun one. The one year it was pretty cool there. I think it, it was 2023. Um, it was like a day race too, so the races ended at like five 30.

So yeah, we were at Broadway pretty early after that, so it was pretty fun. Broadway's cool, man. If, I feel like if I lived there, I'd either be an alcoholic or I'd be broke or I'd be both. I've never actually been to somewhere like that before. Uh, it was pretty interesting, like just live bands everywhere, like people, it, it's kind of seemed like I was in a movie, like people wearing cowboy boots mm-hmm.

And hats. Mm-hmm. And like, I was like, this is a fancy dress party, but it was just like, that's the way people dress. It's like wild. Everyone's so cool there too. Everyone's just like so nice. Not stuck up. They're all just there to have a good time. Oh's. Sick man. Yeah, it's teen Nashville. Cool. I can imagine.

You like to, uh. To have a few. Nice. Have a few after parties now and then Oh yeah. I think we, yeah. We didn't miss many after parties this year. We missed, like, missed like three. Is it like a, is it a thing like do do the riders party off the race or Not really? 'cause I know like a lot of the, the, the top guys like jump on a plane right away and, and head off.

But not, it, it's, it's pretty rare that you see like, like top, top guys out every once in a while. You will. I mean, yeah. I can't, I guess I can't really say who was out last weekend, but they may or may not be of age, but, but pretty much everybody who was, everybody was, was out, um, uh, after Salt Lake, I think COU Monster hosted a thing for Cooper Wood at the bar during the big thing we were at.

I had a little table there. So yeah, there was a lot of people there. It was pretty cool. It's cool to see like guys that are. Like that, that big of a name's just like trying to like letting loose a little bit. I mean, they deserve it, right? They work so hard. At least they can do is fucking go out once a once a year or twice a year.

Pretty crazy. Like, I mean, if you are racing the outdoors as well, like you have no break, like, I mean you have two weeks and then it's like, which you're busy training. Like it's, it's, it's insane. Like, I, I don't really know how people sustain that. It's ab I actually, my uncle stopped at my house this morning and we were talking about that.

He's like, dude, that's insane how quick the na 'cause the nationals start this weekend. They, they race in about four days, so they have two weeks off to the day that they have to race outdoors. And man, dude, I get, I get burnt out pretty quick racing Supercross like the last few races. I'm like, man, dude, I'm like so tired and just the travel and everything.

And I think that these guys gotta do 12 more races that are way gnarly than riding Supercross. Then they have to do the SMX and then they're gonna race off season races in like, say Paris and wherever else. Like, it's just absolutely mind blowing to me that these guys can, can do all that. It's, it's a lot.

I mean, the, the mountain bike side, they only have a, this year they've got a 10 year, 10 race series. Um, and the last few years it's been like seven race series. And then of course you'll do, you know, some other like European events or sort of continental stuff. So maybe you're doing 12 to 15 races in a year.

Um, maybe some guys will do a few more if you take like the local stuff. But still, like, it's way less, it's not even comparable to, to what the guys are doing, you know, in Supercross and motocross. Um, I mean they're having like, what, 30? So you've got 17 Supercross, 12 outdoors, then you're doing like SMX, which is another three right.

That's 32. Like then you've got like off season races and whatever, like it's just mental. Yeah, they like, like a Red Bull straight rhythm. And then you got pairs and then a sex open. Like there's a bunch of races that people will go do because they're probably getting paid over six figures to go race these races.

And then you got World Supercross, some, they're gonna race some of those as well. Have you, uh, any of the off season stuff or like world Supercross, like any of that? Has that ever been an option or something you've thought about? I've been reached out to by a couple of teams to, to possibly do some of the world stuff, but um, to be honest, dude, I, I do really like my few months off that I get to kind of decompress and have fun with my friends and family.

And so when I did get that call, we were not ready to go racing, so I had to deny that one. But no, I wouldn't be opposed to possibly hitting a few before my career is over for sure. It'd be cool go over like Europe or something and some cool races can, uh, tied in with a trip to. To, uh, October Fest in Munich.

Can't. That'd be fun. Are you close to there? Uh, so I'm in Munich, so, so Oh shit. So I go every year. I mean, not just, maybe just one day, but, um, it's pretty cool. The real October Fest. The real one. Yeah, the real one. We've gone to somewhere around here. They have some of, like, some of the fairgrounds and stuff around here.

It's cool, but I, again, it ain't the real one, I guess. Huh? Yeah, it's funny in South Africa where before I moved to Germany, like my friends would say like, yeah, like, you should, uh, should come and join us at October Fest, like in Cape Town. And I was like, well, they're like, I, I said to 'em, well, I've been to the real October Fest, and they're like, well, this is way better.

Like, yeah, okay, dude. They had, um, I think they had over in the first weekend, last year, they had over 2 million people all just getting tanked. Like, uh, so like, yeah, it's just like wild. And it's just like people being carried off on stretches and. Uh, alcohol poisoning and yeah, it's, it's pretty crazy.

You've never seen so many people in one spot ever. Um, and I'm not like a big, I'm not the guy to typically go out and get smashed, but it's, it's just like crazy to see like, you know, it's just you've never seen such a big party in your life. Um, and like from 10:00 AM or I think it's 10 or 11:00 AM it opens like till 10 or 11 at night.

It's like 12 hours just drinking liter beers. How did, how did this whole thing start? Like where did, uh, how did you become a Supercross racer? Like it's not your average nine to five. My, both, both sides of my family raced. I actually had my, my dad's, my dad's brother went pro, and my mom's brother went pro and that's how they met.

So I basically came outta the womb on a dirt bike. But yeah, when I was like three years old, started riding and. Just, uh, like I said, I kind of started doing a lot of like the indoor stuff during the winter time here. I think that's kind of why I meshed with that sex a little bit better. Mm-hmm. But yeah, we kind of just did the amateur nationals and stuff and honestly I never did very good, but, uh, it was just kind of fun for our family to go do.

And, um, got on big bikes. I actually kind of, kind of quit riding for, for a couple years. I always sort of half-ass sort, always kind of had a bike to ride. But yeah, I didn't really ride a whole lot for a couple years. That's when I kind of picked up BMX. I was just living at skate parks every single day and I don't know.

And then one day I, uh, ended up getting a different bike and kind of started riding with some of the local pros around here and was actually riding pretty good. And, uh, my mom and dad went in on sending me to Club MX for a couple of months, like a big training facility here. Kind of just went from there.

I started riding with some good guys and being competitive and I ended up just like saying F it and Turning Pro and seeing how it went and ended up making some night shows my first year Racing Pro. So I was pretty pumped on that. Then the next year I ended up making a couple, two 50 main events and then I was kind of hooked.

It was pretty cool. I was still remember that first main event I made in Indianapolis, like everybody was there. It's kind of a local race to me. So that was pretty sweet. And then here we are about freaking 10 years later, still doing the damn thing. It's kind of a different, uh, different path that a lot of guys take.

Like Yeah. You know, you hear the stories of people like sacrificing everything and like living in a motor home for a couple years and it's like kind of make it or break type of thing and, and sounded like you were not even really sure if that's really what you wanted to do for a while. Uh. And then some of, sort of something clicked.

Yeah. I don't know. I just, I think those couple years off that I had were, were kind of good for me. Like, like I said, I was just riding BMX the whole time and then I started riding again and I kept, I was having so much fun riding and I literally remember one day I was like, dad, I wanna race Supercross. I was like six, 16 or 17.

He is like, kind of looked at me like I was stupid. And, and then sure enough, about seven, eight months later, I was, I made my first night show. So it was kind of cool and like, 'cause how do, so how old were you when you first kind of gave it like a proper go? I was 17, like kind of in the preseason getting ready.

Mm-hmm. And then 18, my first year when I started racing. Okay, cool. So, I mean, yeah. I was young, pretty young. Now I'm now, I'm the old now. I'm the old man. How old are you now? 30 man. Oh, you got, you got a couple years on me. I'm, I'm 34, so. Oh, damn. You are old. Pretty scary, but I look young, so. Yeah, you do. We both look good, but it's like we age well.

Crazy. Like, 'cause yeah, I mean I, you'll know that as well. I don't know if on the Supercross start Starlets and stuff that have like the ages of the people, but for us on the mountain biking, you've always got the ages or the years that they're born. And you got like kids born in like 2008, like, you know, and I'm just like, what?

Like I was finishing school that year. Now you got kids at the bars that were born in like what, 2003? I'm like, dude. Golly, I see that Stein on the wall that says if you were born below this or whatever it is. I was like, that was 2003. I remember when it said my year, man. And, but it's pretty cool though, like in the be, I don't know, in the beginning I was like, it, it feels a bit weird, like being the old guy, quote unquote.

But, um, 'cause I mean, 30 or 35 is not old. But yeah, in, in the sports we do, it's like, ooh, you, you, you getting on a bit, you know? Um, I do feel like that's changing a little bit. If you look at guys, everyone's kind of stretching their careers, which is cool to see. Um, but it's kind of cool when you beat the, the kids as well, like the younger kids.

'cause you're like, like, you know, they're kind of in on, in terms of like physical performance. Like they should be better, but, you know, I guess the experience and that comes in. So it's pretty cool to, to still, uh, show them whose boss sometimes For sure. So you got some little kids that come in with. Maybe a little bit too much confidence and they probably barely even know the names of like myself and some other people.

Mm-hmm. And yeah, it's good to kick their butts every once in a while. Give 'em a little reality check. What, because there's a lot of, there's also a lot of people that are really good at going fast on like Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays at the practice track and then they get to the race and they clam up.

And I feel like I've always kind of been the opposite. I've, I don't go that fast at the practice tracks. I'm, like I said, I'm kind of getting older and stuff. I don't send all the gnarly rhythms and stuff on practice days and then send the whoops to, to die every single lap. There's some people that we ride with that are a little bit crazy and they beat me out during the week and then, you know, you get on the weekends and I dunno, a little bit more experienced, you kind of know what to expect and get out there and get her done.

What's the se, like, what's the secret to whoops? Because it seems from the outside it's like everyone's just gotta grow a set of balls and just go faster. But like. I don't know. Some guys, I mean, if you look, we talked about it earlier, like Stu and stuff. He was so fast through the whoops. And like there's a few guys, I mean, jet's fast.

Like, so it's like, it's, it's possible. Like, but is it just the fact that they're more skilled or is it just the fact that they're willing to just send it more? Oh, it's definitely a skill. There's a, you always used to, everybody always used to say, you gotta lean back, get the weight on the back tire. Now it's, everything has completely changed.

Now you wanna stay more centered, so let the bike completely rock under you while you just literally just stay dead nuts center and, but there's, yeah, there's a lot to it. You gotta be on the balls of your feet. You have to be squeezing as hard as you possibly can, or the bike's gonna start swapping, like hitting, whoops.

If you're a good level rider is, is not that, I don't wanna make it sound the wrong way, but it's not that difficult to hit a fresh set of, whoops. What's, what's hard to hit is. We go out in four 50 B practice and there's ruts in the whoops, this big and you're trying to skim across them and you almost die every lap.

That's what's, that's what's scary about hitting. Whoops. Fresh. Whoops. Usually are not that bad. But when they get, when they get tore up, which is stuff you don't really see on tv, they, they get, they get pretty scary. It's kind of like a love hate relationship because on the one side, I think for like the viewers and stuff, whoops.

Are pretty exciting to have in the race and they make for a lot of passing opportunities and stuff. Mm-hmm. But at the same time, I feel like there would be a lot less crashes if they weren't whoops. Which could make the sport quite a bit safer. Yeah. But that's really the only thing that I feel like really separates guys like, you know, it erase that say Sexton and we are at Sexton's gonna have a huge advantage on, on web that weekend.

If. If the whoops are big. So it's kind of a give or take. If you're good at, whoops, you want 'em. If you don't, you don't. But like say like a dude, like Justin Cooper, he's very good at jumping. Whoops. But if he's, if he's got a gnarly set of whoops, he is definitely gonna, definitely gonna struggle that weekend.

So, I don't know. I think it's, I think it's good that they have Whoops. 'cause it's the, in my opinion, the biggest thing to separate people. 'cause at that level, everyone's jumping the same rhythm sections. Like that's the one thing that'll, that'll get you. It's the one thing that I felt like, yeah, it's maybe changed a little bit from the era of like stew and stuff.

And like at that time he would be doing stuff that no one else would be doing sometimes. And, and even like when his last year, I think there was one race, like Toronto maybe 2014, where he probably came from like way back in part. I mean, everyone's seen that video and you like, pass. That was like my third Supercross I ever did.

I was there crazy. And like, I feel like that doesn't really happen. Like guys, everyone's doing the same stuff now. And I'm wondering like, is it. Is everyone just better or the bike's just better? Or is, is there just not that guy that's willing to risk that much on a regular basis? Yeah, I don't know. That was an iconic ride.

Everyone talks about that ride probably to him. That's probably one of the races they bring up the most. 'cause I think he went from like, what, 14th or something to first, but he was also hitting like three different rhythms. Nobody else was. So, I don't know. I just think riders have gotten better, bikes have gotten better.

I don't know. That's a good question, but who do you think's the, the out of the current crop of riders, who do you think is like, in your opinion, the best guy? Like on if, if everyone's healthy and everyone's, you know, um, everything's fair, like speed wise? Oh man, I feel like it's hard not to pick jet. I mean, he went 24 and oh in the outdoors.

He's been the best guy in Supercross every year that he's raced that he's been healthy. That's hard, man. He's, he's pretty good. He's got it figured out. But I mean, chase is good. Eli's good. Web's good. Like, but I think Jet has that, I think they're all worried about Jet the most as a, from a rider's perspective, like what makes him so good?

Like, 'cause I mean, I don't think some guys are just like, okay, he's just, you know, he's just sending it more, whatever, getting wild get, but when you watch him, it kind of looks like, I don't wanna say easy, but I think he's, yeah, he's really good at carrying a lot of roll speed and he is really good at pushing through the rhythms.

Sexton is really good at pushing through the rhythms too. I think that's kind of where he gets him. He's also very good in the, whoops. He's good at everything, man. He is, in my opinion, probably the best rider on the planet right now. So you think better than the GP guys as well? Yes. Crazy. Interesting. And on, on that note, like overall all around Supercross, motocross, obviously I don't write a whole lot of Supercross, but I met De at the designations every year.

He's yeah, you know, the best guy, like something like MXGP versus, versus what you guys are doing like Supercross, motocross mix. Like what do you think is, yeah, who, I mean you've said now you think Jet's the best, but like overall, what do you think is like a harder, a more difficult kind of series to be in or side of the, to be in the American side doing both series or doing, just focusing on the motocross series in Europe?

'cause like I feel like it's, it's always this debate of like who's better Americans or the rest of the world kinda thing. Yeah, the GP guys are, are really good though. I think if the top GP guys came here, they'd be close. They'd definitely give our guys a run for their money. Everybody I think. But I think overall I would say, I think Jet's best rider.

I mean, you throw Roman Fre over here, you put Geyer over here, hurlings over here. I mean, you saw Hurlings, I don't know if you remember, but he came over here to the one race and went from last to first kind of made, kind of made us look silly, but he's had a bunch of, bunch of injuries. But at one point he was definitely the best guy.

But injuries, injuries are a thing. Speaking of injuries, your, your, um, ankle last year? Um, or foot, ankle, I don't know. Um, what actually, so what actually was the injury? It was dislocated, right? Your foot? Yeah. Bone wise, I only broke my fib. Is that the small one? Yeah. I, I just broke my fib and they just played it.

That, that was easy. If that was, that was the only injury, I would've been back super fast. But with it dislocating it toward basically every single ligament that was in my ankle. So. After they put it back in, kind of after it happened, they just put me in a soft cast. It's pretty gross 'cause I kinda like took the soft cast off one day and it kind of just like wanted to just fall right back outta place.

'cause it had zero anything. Holding it straight. It was, it was crazy though. I mean, can't say I've ever looked down and seen my ankle pointed almost 180 degrees. But it was weird. I like, I stayed so calm. Like I'm just sitting there like, I guess that's my season. Like I kind of thought I was gonna get like a little, a little weird, like pass out or something.

But I did. I didn't at all. I just, what I was the most scared about, if I knew it was just a dislocated ankle, I don't think I'd be as scared. But I was a little bit scared because I thought for sure there was bone sticking out. When you look down and you see your ankle completely the wrong way, you're like, I.

There's definitely compound fractures down there or something. That's what I thought. And then they started cutting, cutting my boot off and they're like, well, we don't see anything on your leg. I'm like, all right, that's good. They ended up getting, oh dude, and another story, I'm in the Alpine Stars medics, R that's what it's called.

Apparently the late, didn't know Alpine Stars had booties in them. So she's trying to take my boot off. I have like a pillow over my face. I'm just holding it over my face just 'cause I, I don't really wanna see bones sticking out. If there was, yeah, she's like trying to get my fucking boot off and doesn't realize there's a booty on there.

I think I ended up like, looking over there. I'm like, dude, it's the booty. Take the booty off with it. Uh, so yeah, that didn't feel very good. But then once she actually got it off, uh, the, the main doctor, um, he was like, yeah, I think it's just a dislocated ankle. I'm like, oh, sweet. And then he popped it back in, put a soft cast on it and I put.

Cruised home. Went back to the hotel. My buddy got, went to the store, got some beers, we had some gals back to the hotel and had some fun. I wasn't even in, I wasn't even in that much. I wasn't even in that much pain actually. All I said, I was like, dude, just gimme a beer. I just need a beer. That's so crazy.

Like only a, only a professional Supercross racer would just be like, oh, it's only a dislocated ankle. Oh, that's all good. Like that's sweet. Once they put it back in, we're good. Crazy. So, well no, that thing was just hanging on by literally nothing. It could have put it right back outta place if you wanted to, if it wasn't in the soft catheter.

It was kind of weird. And then I ended up having like some issues with my insurance and everything, so it ended up being like 11 days or something that I had to sit like that before I could even get surgery. It was funny, like I had a merch drop. I was supposed to do that Monday. We did everything. My mechanic helped me out.

I was just in bed, like placing all the orders the day after, two days after it happened. But it was pretty cool. I think I got a lot of, uh, like, uh, like sorrow orders, which yeah, is fine. You like sweet every time. Yeah. That's fun. Make some more money. You just gotta get injured and people, people stop buying some shit.

Shit. Yep. Exactly. But yeah, it's, uh, surgery went good and everything. I slacked on PT a little bit, so things definitely not, not very good. Like I don't even know if I could ride like a BMX bike still. I can't run really. Freaking sucks. Yeah. But yeah, shit happens. Dude. It could be a lot worse. I always try to Yeah.

Be worse, that's for sure. Injuries off fourth this year, it's always, I feel like it's just so much about luck, like, you know, just like this. If you think about, I'm sure for you as well, you think about like how many crashes you've had over the years. Like, I've had some massive crashes and I've been totally fine.

Like, get up, like, you're like, wow. Like they were like trees and rocks and stuff and I missed everything. Like, and I'm like, I landed in like a nice soft patch of leaves or whatever. And you know, there's another time where you just have a tip over and, and something breaks, you know? So. Yep. A hundred percent.

All my worst injuries came from like the stupidest little crashes. I mean, even that one, like, I mean, you crashed and the first turn crash, like, it wasn't, I didn't even fall. I just kinda got pushed off the track. Wait, you didn't, it was weird. You didn't actually crash. You were still on the back. Well, I got pushed off and then it just pushed me into a tough block.

I think I just like rolled my front tire over the tough block. Mm-hmm. And I kind of just like slowly just hit over. But What did your foot hook on? Like what actually did it Caused it to spin around? Yeah. So there was like a first turn pile up. I think it was like Hunter Lawrence went to cut over and it pushed everybody else straight as I was already going this way.

So kind of weird. So I just saw everyone coming that way. So I just immediately dart that way and somebody else was already coming at me and ran right into the side of me. And that's, that's, that's what did it. He ran into me and his front wheel was like pushing on my leg. I have a, like a zoomed in video of it is pretty gross.

You can see it legitimately pop. Yeah. But it like, it, it fucked him up too. He came, like, in the video that I posted of the actual thing happening, you could see he, uh, he was like calling the medics over. As soon as he saw it, he's like, come over here, help him. And then after the race, after I got it put back in, I went over to him and he's like, he almost like started crying.

I was like, dude, it's absolutely not your fault at all. But it, I, I think it fucked him up a little bit. He's a good dude. It was just completely erasing thing, but. What did, what was your first thought? What was the first thing that popped in your head when you, like, looked down and then you see your foot pointing the wrong way?

Like, it felt like a dream because I had such a good preseason and everything, and I, I, I, I, I didn't even know it was out of place until I went to put my foot down to get back on my bike. 'cause it, I didn't even know. And, um, yeah, as soon as I ended up look after I put it on the ground, I was like, whoa, something feels weird.

And then I looked, I was like, whoa, that's definitely not good. So then I kind of just like, I just kind of put my head up and just kind. I like, I remember like looking around the stadium, like thinking it, like wasn't real when you, you know, you work your butt off for three and a half months preseason for something so stupid to.

You out for a year? One positive from it. You, the video went viral and got you a lot of new followers on Instagram. Oh yeah. We probably gained, I don't even know, 15,000 followers or something off it like a lot. And then the little, the videos after I got hurt, like with the surgery and all that stuff, all those blew up too.

So that was wild. It's, it's interesting. It's the only positive. Yeah. It's interesting that you said that it wasn't that painful either. It just felt tight. It just felt like somebody was like squeezing it. Yeah, but it wasn't like, I wasn't like crying due to pain, like at all. I did tear up a little bit 'cause I was like, fuck dude.

Like this sucks. Mm. It's interesting how like, it's almost, I guess it's the body's reaction, like to when something really bad goes wrong, like the body's pretty good at at uh, yeah. Making sure that it, that you can kind of like survive to get help kind of thing, maybe in the wild. Um, but I know when I, when I, when I broke my hip and femur, like a lot of people assume that like that's the most pain that you could ever experience.

But like in at least some people, maybe yes, but in my case, like it wasn't that bad like at the time, like obviously afterwards, but like at the time it's just kind of like you're in shock, you know? And so like now, um, if I have a crash or something, if you feel something like, not painful, but like weird.

That's when I get the most nervous. 'cause I'm like, uhoh. Like, why, why is my, I don't know, why is my elbow numb? Or whatever, you know? Like, why can I not feel it? Like that's, that's almost like more I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. Uh, I mean like banging your, if you walk past the table and like smack your shin on the table or something, like, that's more painful than, than than hundred percent hundred.

You stub your toe on the fucking end of a table or something. Yeah. I about to tear up from that, but my ankle can be fully dislocated, but I'm good on a Yeah. I guess on a similar topic, like did you, do you know, I mean, I'm sure you must know him, but are you friends with, with Jerry Robin? Yes. Uh, how, how is, how is he doing Since, uh, since, as far as I know, I don't think anything has changed yet.

Mm-hmm. But he seems to be pretty positive. Like, we're all in a group chat together. We're all in like this big group chat with like all the private tier and Jerry's in it obviously. And. He seems to be as positive as he can. But man, that was that. That one fucked us all up 'cause we're all friends with him and Justin Starling, who's a good friend of his mm-hmm.

Actually stopped on the track and was the first person to him when Jerry was saying that he couldn't feel his legs, which is the scariest feeling in the sort of the scariest, you know, everything or, I don't even know, bro. That's just something you don't wanna think about, but it's hard not to. Yeah, it's crazy.

I mean, it's obviously. Things that happen, like, I mean, in our sport as well. And it's just like, it seems from the outside it seems like surreal, like, 'cause it's just like, you know, like that won't happen. You know, it's like what's the chances kind of thing. But like, when it happens to someone, especially like close to you, it's, it's like, yeah, you can't, it's crazy.

Like you can't sort of wrap your head around it. Like, and even like, I could just, I, I mean, I don't know him personally, but like I've known other people that it's happened to and it's just like, yeah. Um, you definitely, you kind of like wonder thinking about that more. I don't know. Has it ever wonder, has it ever crossed your mind, like the risk versus reward?

Like for the sport? Yeah, for sure. It's definitely starting to, I'm starting to think about that more. I think that's why I'm a little bit more timid in stuff now. 'cause I mean, the older you get, I'm sure you're the same way. The older older you get, the more you start thinking about. The rest of your life is, is me jumping this triple in this rhythm section that's scary as fuck, really worth me getting injured over possibly.

Uh, it's not a great mindset to have, dude, but I feel like the older you get, it's hard not to start thinking about stuff a little bit differently than you did when you were 20. You know? It's, uh, I bet I think like, you don't really think about, you don't think about life after racing and kind of family and, you know, whatever, having kids and all that stuff when you, when you're 20, you know, it's just like.

YOLO right now, let's go, you know, and um, yeah. And then, yeah, I got this quad all day. Uh, I just think, I mean, I think back to myself and like the, the stupid stuff that I did, like just not even on a bike, sometimes just like dumb stuff. Like, I don't know, jumping down 20 stairs or something, like to, to prove a point or you know, like, just like, yeah, you just think like, what the hell were you thinking?

Um, a hundred percent. But yeah, it's, uh, and as hard as injuries are though, I feel like they also teach you a lot. Um, at least in my case, you know, I've, I feel like I'm a much better person now after the injuries than I was before. And, um, my whole perspective on life's changed. So, and, and I'm guessing that you would've experienced something similar.

Um, you kind of like. When, when you have something, then you're forced to sit out and you kind of realize like maybe what's a bit more important in life and like, like I love bikes, I love racing, but it's, there are other things, you know, that are actually more important when you can't go and shower by yourself or whatever.

Like, you know, that you're not thinking about riding your bike at that moment. You're just thinking about trying to do like daily things, you know? For sure. But it's also so crazy 'cause usually, I'm sure you're the same way as well, when you do get injured, the first thing you ask the doctor is, how long till I can be on the bike again?

There's something wrong with us. I was gonna say the same thing. There's definitely, definitely something wrong with all of us. Like I, well I just think it's a drug, like, it's essentially like, yeah, riding bikes, whether it's a bicycle, motorbike, whatever. You're looking for that kick you're looking for adrenaline and Yeah.

As, as crazy as it is, you just can't, you can't stop. How, how are your nerves on like, like a. Like an event the day of, oh, I, I've said this before, but like, so I've, I mean, I've broken, I've broke both of my hips, um, but a year apart and the first, and, well, the first time was kind of my femur hip together.

And was it displaced? Was your, was it looking like jacked up, visible visibly? No, luckily not. So I just, I hit a tree like side on like, I don't know, 40 ks an hour. And so it just like, pretty much disintegrated the, basically where the femur bone goes up and then it makes a turn. Into the hip joint like that.

Just above the turn is where it broke. It's called the neck of the femur, but because it's so high up, they call it the hip, but essentially was the femur that broke. Um, but it's just like in the joint. So it's pretty much the worst way you could break your femur. Um, 'cause every other break is obviously not nice, but you just put a pin in and you know, it heals.

But in my case, that's why I've got a complete new hip on the one side. But, um, I did that in just before we met in 20 end of 22. Um, but uh, yeah, so when I had the first injury, that was my biggest fear. Pretty much my whole life was breaking my femur and then it happened and it was in a weird way, I felt like the sense of like more confidence, which is kind of weird because I was just like, you like that?

Maybe the worst thing that's gonna happen. Yeah. I was like, I was like, other than like dying or brain damage or like getting paralyzed, like, I was like, that's pretty much like the worst thing that you can go through. So I was like, sweet. Like I'm ready to send it now. Like, hell yeah. Like, you know, isn't that such a fucked up mentality?

Yeah. It's like, but I get it. I get it though. It, yeah, it is because a lot of people were, I came back like relatively, I, I mean I had to spend almost a year off the bike, but when I got back on the bike, like I got up to speed like quickly and people were pretty surprised. Or someone like my family and stuff like, wow, like you, you kind of like, not, it doesn't seem to have affected you.

And honestly, I, I felt like I felt good. It was, it was really weird. Um, and um, and then I had the second injury and that was about three months after I was back racing again. Um, and that was like the big turning point because like when that happened. It was kind of like my whole world fell apart because I knew what I'd just been through and was like almost a year of recovery.

And then I knew, I knew what was lying ahead again. And I, and I just thought kind of after the first one I was like, this is never gonna happen again. Like this is like the worst injury I'm gonna have. Like, you know, this is done now. You broke your other hip. I broke my other one. Yeah. Um, but it was slightly different.

Like, so it was dislocated the other one and it broke like the capsule. Um, which even though it was from a joint perspective not as bad, it was worse from a pain perspective. Like it had a lot more pain with the second one. Um, 'cause I like damaged the nerves and things like that. And I still have issues.

Like I still have like a part of my leg, which I can't feel. Um, but. That one was kind of where I, well, I quit. I was like, I'm done. Like I, I sold my bikes and I was like, I don't wanna do this anymore. Just 'cause I, again, everyone thinks that it's about the injury and the time and like, obviously that sucks and it's painful and everything, but it's about the whole rebuild.

Like, you know what it's gonna take, like how much physio you've gotta do and training and like, you just get back and then it's just like your, your wall's not like fully built back up and then you get smacked back down again. And, um, so I have a lot of respect for guys that, that, uh, guys like Kenny and stuff that have gone through some crazy stuff and yourself, like, you know, coming back from bad injuries because it, I feel like it's very easy to be confident when you haven't had a bad injury.

Um mm-hmm. And guys that can go through an injury and come back. Then be confident. That shows me a lot about, about them and like the mentality. But, um, I feel like now, um, I don't really think about it, like when I'm riding and stuff, but I think I think about it beforehand. Like if there's like a gnarly, a gnarly jump or gnarly line or whatever, I always think like, okay, like how confident am I that I can do this?

Um, and how much is it gonna gain me? Like, and is it, what's the risk versus reward kind of? And I, instead of just allowing my, my, uh, I don't know, sixth sense to like take over, I'd just like rather make a decision beforehand. It's like, okay, do I wanna do this or not? Um, and is it worth it to do it? Because sometimes even if you think like there's, I can, I think I can do this, but then it's like, okay, is this really gonna change my life doing this?

Like for the positive? And most of the time it's probably no. Um, but it could mean that, yeah, that you spend more time in hospital, which is, um, yeah, which is not so much fun. Not fun. I'm a hundred percent with you though. I don't like, as soon as the gate drops, I don't, I'm not nervous when it comes to getting hurt at all, but it's just, yeah, like, it's like between practices and the night before the race.

Like you just kind of think about stuff a little bit. But it, it is so weird though. Yeah. As soon as the gate drops for me, don't even think about it. Uh, but I've kind of always, I guess I've always been like that to a degree. Like I've always, I'm quite a thinker, so I overthink things, which is not good always.

Um, but like beforehand and stuff, like, I hate that, like for me, the first, when, I don't know how it is for you going out for practice, but like the first practice or like first practice lap. I hate it, like, hate it because I'm just like, you dunno how the track's gonna feel. You haven't hit all the jumps, like all the features like.

Uh, and then you've got everyone like eyes on you and like, yeah, as soon as first laps done, then I'm like, okay, cool. Now I'm, now I'm chilled, but I hate the first lap. Yeah. We have, we have eight minutes to learn the track, so that's seven or eight laps and we have to jump everything in that first session to be ready for qualifying.

It starts after that eight minutes. It's crazy. That is mind blowing. And I think that's what people don't realize as well. Like, I did hear that somewhere before that you guys get like eight minutes or something. And why, why can they not give you more than eight minutes? Like, uh, for me it's like crazy because that must amp up the risk so much more because like you Yeah, you can't, there's no getting used to the track or like feeling things out.

It's like go out and, and hit everything. Like, like you literally have to go out there and hit most of the stuff like second or third lap. The Supercross triples, we usually hit those on the first lap. The finish line will hit on the first lap, and then those aren't ever the scary ones. It's the rhythms.

It's the triple, triple, triple triples in the rhythm sections that are, that are pretty scary. But yeah, it's gnarly. Eight minutes to learn, learn the tracks a little bit scary. Plus, by the time we get out there, we're always in four 50 B practice, which is the fifth practice fixed if the futures kids race.

So the track is absolutely hammered, rutted. So learning a track when the track's already hammered just makes it even harder. How long is qualifying then? Uh, we have an eight minute free practice, and then we have two 10 minute time qualifying. So technically you can. Jump that jumps whenever you want. But if you wanna be competitive and do good, you gotta pretty much get the track dialed in.

Free practice. I, I mean, I guess it's a little similar in the mountain biking side. 'cause like you get maybe five practice laps, six sometimes. Um, before, so five, six runs down the hill Yeah. Before qualifying. Um, not al not always. Do you like sometimes do you like walk the, walk the track? Yeah. So we'll walk it before, and then, and then you get a practice session on the first day.

But it's, yeah, like realistically, I mean, it's like three and a half hours I think. But you know, it takes so long because you've gotta, sometimes the lift takes you like 30 minutes or longer just to get up. Then like, 'cause you've gotta like queue at the bottom, get on the lift, lift takes ages. Like, then you gotta get up often queue at the top.

Sometimes there's a ride, a crash and there's a red flag and the track's closed, like, so Yeah, most of the time I would say, yeah, 5, 6, 7 laps of practice. And then you've got qualifying. What's like an average time to get down the mountain? Is it like three minutes, four minutes, or is it all different? I'd say like, probably between two and a half and three and a half minutes.

Um, I mean, it can range. The shortest tracks are normally around two minutes. Longest one's around five, maybe just under five. But nowadays they, they're kind of trying to get them all to be similar. Um, like for the TV coverage. So most of them are kind of around the three minute mark, something like that.

Um, and the, and the shorter the tracks are, it's also more exciting because times get closer. Um, because you know, obviously, and you can probably send it a little harder, I mean. You're pedaling a lot, so I mean, say a five minute trek, like fitness obviously has to start playing a, a role there, huh? Pedaling is important for sure, but I think the overall conditioning like is more important.

Um, because it's like, so it's weird because it, compared to motocross, it's like it's so much less, you know, you're only doing a few minutes. But I mean, I've done both and it's just, you would, I don't think you could do a 25 minute downhill run, like at that pace. Like it's just not physically possible.

Like it's, I don't think maybe, maybe someone could, but, um, but I still think that in overall, I don't know, I think the, the fitness level of, of motocross guys and Supercross guys is, is just unheard of. Like, because I, I remember, I mean, I'm, you get this as well. People are like, oh yeah, well, why do you have to be fit?

You just sit on the bike and twist the throttle. Rather, we go out there for practice and my heart rate hits 200. Like, these people have no idea. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how they, and that's why I also don't understand how they, how all the top guys can sustain doing a full like Supercross and outdoor season because you, it's not just that you, you're competing, but it's like, it's so hard on the body, um, mentally and physically.

It's like it's, it's not, yeah, it's not even just a Saturdays. It's like we ride usually Tuesday, Wednesday, then we fly Thursday, set everything up on Friday, fly back Sunday, Monday. Usually kind of just have a rest day. But it's just a lot, dude, like Trav, traveling's a lot traveling just takes so much energy out of you.

Even if you're flying. Like I had, I was lucky enough to fly to most races, you see. But I. Still just the time zones and everything. Like it just, yeah. Fuck your body up dude. Dude, I, it's actually, so the most of the top guys, they fly to the race then fly home for like what, two days or three days and then fly to the next race?

Yeah, a lot of, if there's a lot of like day races this year based off the TV package, so most of the West coast runs were a little bit earlier, so I think a lot of guys flew out that evening and got home like super, super late Saturday night saying they were flying back to Florida or something. But, and then, yeah, back at it Monday, these guys, I don't ride every ride Mondays, but if they fly outside Saturday nights they can, they can be on the track by Monday.

Some guys ride Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, which is just mind, mind blowing to me. Right. Even riding two days a week is a lot. Saying you have press day and racing on Saturday and I mean that's four or five days a week. Some of these guys are riding like that is insane. And that's also, you know. It's always a bit of a weighing up between like how much you wanna ride and how much risk you wanna have, because like the more you're on the bike, the more risk you have of crashing and then you're not gonna be there on Saturday.

But then I guess potentially the more you ride the, the better you're gonna be, maybe. But not in all cases, I think. Plus you need rest. Yeah. Like, do I wanna ride three days a week this week and come into the weekend? Maybe I could find a little something on the bike and maybe give me a couple tents. Or do I wanna go into the race day, like extremely tired and burnt out.

Like there's a, there's a fine line there. I think two days a week riding like Tuesday, Wednesday is kind of the ticket. And then race on Saturdays. And then do some like, uh, just kind of base, base heart rate rides. Like just some 1, 1 20 to 1 35 heart rates just to kind of flush the muscles out. And, and are you doing That's kind of the ticket for me.

Is that on the road bike? Just really fast. And are you doing, um, like between races, are you doing any gym stuff or are you doing that all preseason? Uh, just a little bit. Not much. Mostly just preseason stuff. Plus, if you do, if you do a lot of gym stuff, it'll tend to give you arm pump. Your arms will be tired, arms will be tight.

Have you ever found, do, have you ever struggled with arm pump? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, most, most people, most people do a little bit, but some guys worse than others. But it's weird. Like I'll get arm pump more on like practice days than I do on race days, which absolutely makes no sense. Like, if we go out there and do like a 15, 20 minute mo on Supercross, like I'll get arm pump usually pretty bad on a practice day.

But if I make a main event, I will, I usually won't get it. I, I don't know why. I don't know if I'm just like thinking about getting arm pump, but then I'm at the races. That's the last thing I'm thinking about. It's so weird. I'm like the only person I know that gets aren't put more practice in than racing.

That's a good problem to have. I guess I'd rather just never get it though. I always get my ball kicked all week. I used to get it only in the throttle hand, um, throttle arm. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely worse than your throttle hand. It's, it's different because like we mountain bikers get on pump as well, but it's a, it's like a a little bit different because mountain biking, you're getting it from braking 'cause you like Yeah.

Hanging onto the brake so hard and you obviously all the weight is on your hands, so you're constantly like pushing on, like doing a pushup kind of thing. Whereas Moto is kind of you also hanging off the back of the bike because of the bike's pulling forward. Yeah. Plus you can squeeze more, I feel like when you're on a motocross bike.

Is that a stupid question to ask? Can you guys like squeeze? I do sometimes, but I wouldn't say it's like the, the prettiest thing to do, but it's like, I, I think it's like a habit that I have from motocross. Like sometimes you see photos of like different guys and like got their, like Aaron Guen for example, is one of the top guys from the US and uh, you, he's like full moto style, like, or like it looks moto legs are wide open and when then you'll see like me coming behind, we just shot a video together and I'm like, my legs are like on the frame and I'm just like, what the hell?

Like looks so bad. Yeah, I think it's just like, really? That's so crazy because it's the complete opposite in Moto, if you see your legs open on a motocross bike, you're like, oh, that dude's a goon. But funny enough, actually Gwen Gwen is, was a really good motocross rider as well, so it's interesting. Uh, yeah.

But when he is on a mountain bike, he doesn't do that, so, um, yeah, I've heard, I've heard that name. I mean, obviously with like OnlyFans and stuff, you talk about like flying to all the races and stuff. Um. There's 17 rounds. So you're doing seven, you're doing 17 flights. Like what, what does it cost for a private tier to, to do a season?

Like what's the bare minimum and then what's like a good program? I'll be completely honest, I've never, never actually figured out exactly how much it costs, but I pretty much have, I have a lot of stuff covered. I mean, I get bikes at a very good price and most stuff for my bikes I get for free, which is awesome.

Out all my sponsors for that one. But flying, flying, flying in hotels is the biggest one. And I pay my mechanic pretty well. And, um, entry fees. Entry fees are 225 bucks every weekend. Mm-hmm. They, uh, you know, we don't stay at shitty hotels, so we stay at like, you know, decent hotels. They try to stay, try to keep it between like 400 bucks, 400, 4 50 bucks for four, uh, like a three day weekend.

Mm-hmm. So there's that. And then I pay my mechanic pretty well. I mean, I mean, I'm spending at least 2,500 bucks a week just in kind of fees, fees and all that crap. But yeah, it's not, it's not too, too bad. It could be worse. And I mean, what are the, like in terms of like prize money and stuff, what are the, what can you guys win?

Um, 'cause I know you've got a, you've got also like contingency money, which I don't fully understand, um, from the manufacturers. Yeah. So Kawasaki I think is the only OEM still that, that pays for night show bonus. If you make the night show, I think they pay you 300. Mm-hmm. So that pretty much just, that's like basically get your entry fee covered and then, uh, the payout, if you get last place in the LCQ, I believe it's 1,250 bucks.

Mm-hmm. And then the better you do in the LCQ, having, say you get like a sixth or seventh, I wanna say that's like closer to, uh, like 16, 1700. Mm-hmm. So then with the C we contingency. And then, uh, my deal with O'Neill and. You can do all right. You can do all right. You pretty much honestly are, are almost just breaking even.

So if you were making, if you were making a main but you had zero sponsors, like you be able to break even from like prize money or would it not be enough if you get last place in the main, I think it's like 2200. So it's not, it's really not much more. Well what's crazy too is uh, my buddy Justin Rod, he got fourth in the mud race on like a freaking like box stock Honda two 50 F.

'cause he is really good at riding mud. I think he made purse money like $2,900 for a fourth place in a two 50 main event. I was like, wow, that's horrible. He got some good bonuses from Honda and you know, his helmet company and all that stuff. So he did good. But. Just purse money to get a fourth place on a two video main event.

It's, it's crazy to me. Pretty pathetic. I mean, I guess now with like the, the, um, SMX and stuff, there's a bit more money involved, but I would've thought there'd be a lot more money, like prize money wise. I mean, obviously the guys get money from the, from the sponsors and the teams and, and all that. But still, like, I mean, and you've got, how many people are watching a Supercross?

Like live what? 50,000? 40,000, 50,000? Oh, no. Up, up closer. Towards a million I think. No, I mean like, uh, like, um, actually at the event, like in the stadium. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Price not closer. So I mean like just I thought you meant TV numbers. Yeah. Yeah. So just the people at the event, like that's a lot of people.

And you think like, I don't know, where's all the money going? You have a great point there. We all think the same thing, man. 'cause you know, they're making a lot of fucking money. And they're not putting a whole lot of it into the purse. The little, the, the little circus animals that we are. Yeah. It's, I think we have the same sort of thing in the, in the mountain bike side as well.

It's just the, you know, the winner of a World Cup, I think gets 3,700 euros or something, which is like, oh my gosh. Which is like mind blowing. Um, and obviously again, it's the same situation. Sponsors teams and stuff, they pay them good money. Um, but that's kind of not the point. It's like you shouldn't have to rely on the sponsors to be funding a sport.

That's, you know, I don't know, in my opinion, and, and especially a sport like Mo, that's also so dangerous, like super high risk, like. It. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. And then you like, can we at least get health insurance? Yeah. Like, come on. I feel like that's at least, at least get us some fucking health insurance if we're gonna race, man.

Like that has changed though. Like you didn't have to show proof of even having health insurance when you race. Now, before we sign up, we have to have like proof that we do have health insurance, which I guess is good, but I think they could get it for us. That'd be kind of nice. Yeah. I don't know. I think it'd be, I dunno, it's just crazy like it seems Then you've got sports that are you tennis, soccer, golf, like, and I mean, they're fantastic athletes, but like the risk you can get injured.

Sure. But the risk for injury is so much lower and Oh yeah. The money in the sport is so much more. Yeah. I've never seen a golfer ended up having his ankle wrapped 180 Oh man. From swinging too hard. You know, like honestly, I, I, I. And I'm obviously a bit biased 'cause I've been doing this, you know, a similar type of sport, but these sports like motocross, Supercross, like whether you're doing like X Games, um, mountain biking, whatever the, to be at the top, like, or to, you know, to make it to the top of the sport, I think is hard.

Even though there's maybe a, a smaller field, like, because there's not as many people doing it, to get to the top and stay at the stop the top of the sport, um, is insanely hard given the variables that you have like, and the risk involved. Um, you know, because you've got other sports, obviously you have to be really good, whether you're playing football or whatever, you've gotta be really good.

But then you throw in the, the amount of things that can go, I mean. Go wrong like the mud. When you've got a mud race and you've got like mother nature and the bike can, the bike can break on you and you've got all these things to play into it and you know the risk of getting hurt and injury and you've gotta be super fit and you've gotta have all the mental side that all the other athletes have.

I mean, I think there's, I don't know, I feel like it's, it's pretty crazy what, what the guys have been able to do, um, in, in these types of sports. I agree. Definitely wish we was getting paid like some athletes in some other sports. Obviously our numbers are not the same, but be always nice to get a little bit more.

We deserve it. Well, I mean at least they SMXI think like the world Supercross and stuff and, and that maybe put a bit of pressure on them and that's why they, they did the whole SMS thing. SMX thing. Yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. That's why. But yeah, that also adds just more races to the series, which is maybe not the cars need.

SMX thing is pretty cool though. It's, that's, that's a lot of personal money they're giving away, which is a step in the right direction. That's for damn sure. But it's definitely tough to, it's tough to make it into that. SI feel like someone who has done it right. Uh, is the, are the, the des um, what's, what's your take on, on them as a family and, and, and Hayden as a rider?

I think Hayden's cool. I mean, we were, I know him a little bit, but, um, I, I, I personally think it's kind of a little bit of an act. Mm-hmm. I, I think he's actually a nice kid. He's just kind, you know, it's marketable whether you like it or not. They're talking about what he says on the podium or the little shit shit talking that he does.

And I don't know. I'm here for it. The kid backs it up too. Pretty good. He's my pick for the two 50 outdoor championship. That's for sure. There's a lot of people talking about it, and I think that's the point. Um, I mean, I'll be honest, like I'm not a fan of someone that's, that's arrogant and that's, you know, like the image that Hayden is portraying, but at the same time, I can understand why someone would do something like that, because yeah, it gets you, it gets you out there and people are talking about it and what do they say?

Any publicity is good publicity. Um, you know, and that's kind of part of the whole, the whole thing. And, and obviously he's a insane writer as well, so, um, you know, if he, if he was going around getting lost place, then that wouldn't really work, but, um, mm-hmm. Yeah, it is. I don't know. Like, it's just crazy.

And then you've got, you've got other writers that are so sort of humble and like, and yet, I don't know, um, different mindsets I guess, that work for different people. Definitely to each their own. Some people love what he does and some don't. Didn't Cooper Webb also do stuff like that as well? Like kind of like smack talking and a bit of that sort of thing?

A little bit. He does it. It's cool. I You gotta respect Webb for doing it. I think it's cool anything he's trying to do to get in these guys' head just a little bit, whether it be the little finger gun he does after the race, or whether he is rock rocking the baby 'cause he is daddy or whatever he did. But I think, I think that stuff's funny.

What do you think it's gonna be like when Hayden goes up to the four fifties and takes on the likes of, you know, jet and stuff? Like, because he is, I I've heard a few controversial statements from, from uh, from Hayden. Yeah. I, I don't, it's gonna be entertaining, that's for sure. I mean, I think the kid's gonna be good.

I mean, he's pretty much winning everything right now. I'll tell you who's gonna be good too is at Cole Davies. Yeah. He's gonna be, I mean he, his, his rookie season is better than. Any, any rookie season? I think maybe ever better than de better than Jet, better than the kid's gonna be legit. That's for sure.

He won what, three main events? I think. I think he won three, two or three or two or three? Yeah. Or was he not four? Was he gonna run win three? I can't remember. 'cause he, he got taken up by head. He led, I think he led the most laps out of any two 50 guy. This, this season. He's legit. I don't know what he is.

He rides just like Jet does, like super effortlessly and he is so good in the Whoops. You like, and, and in the like off the track, like you've obviously between the likes of, obviously Jet's got a huge fan base and then you've got like Hayden with his whole, like YouTube and all that. Like, what is that like, like because, uh, obviously I've never been to a Supercross, so I.

I don't really have a comparison of of what it's like, like in the, in the pits, but like I've just, from what I've heard, it just sounds like ridiculous. It's, it's wild. I never really hang out around over there. We're never pitted near them, but I mean, I watch some of his logs and stuff. I, I'm also good friends with Brett Duff, his, his mechanic, and he, it's, it's insane.

His fan base is, I think, like nothing the sport has ever seen building of the YouTube thing, and they got it figured out, that's for sure. Whether you like it or not, they're, they're making a lot of money off what they're doing when we always, and, and like with. I feel like Hayden is that, um, we were always talking about the, the styles now of the Jet Lawrences and the, and Sextons whatever, and everyone being so perfect on the bike.

But I feel like Hayden also brings back a little of that, a little of that old school vibe, maybe a little bit like way, like also a little bit loose and, and wild on the bike. Yeah. I could see that Tomac, little bit of Ricky Carmichael, maybe in him a little stew. But yeah, that's the, it's sick to see, it's sick to watch that kid ride.

'cause he puts his heart and soul and every time he touches that track, that's for sure. It's cool to see as well. 'cause he, he, he actually didn't have to do it. Like, I think they, the family was obviously pretty comfortable already. Like, so yeah, he's clearly doing this because he wants to do it and not, you know, there's no, like, I mean obviously he'll make more money doing it, but he's not like he's Yeah.

Back to a corner that he has to do it, you know. For sure. I think that's cool. 'cause a kid's in shape, kid works his ass off. Obviously you can't be winning main events and if you're not, but yeah, you gotta respect that for sure. What does the next, the next few months look like on, on your side of the world now?

Oh man. Well, before I got on the call with you, I'm starting to detail my boat out there. I haven't, I haven't been on, I, I haven't been on the boat in a while, so as soon as I end this call, I'm gonna go out there and clean that thing up and, uh, yeah, hopefully hit the water this weekend for the first time.

But yeah, dude, I wanna, I was, uh, I wanna ride a lot this summer. I wanna ride a lot more than I did last summer. Kind of keep my base strong and, uh, come October 1st, head back down to Florida and I wanna have a good year next year. But yeah, summer, summer will be fun. I'm excited. Summer here is pretty cool.

We live like two miles from Lake Erie, which is a, a big lake over here. And, uh, yeah, I need my time. I need my time to, uh, to have some fun. Have you ever been over to Europe or to Germany? You should come and, uh, make a trip. Yeah. Um, the owner of Backyard Designs Graphics, they sponsor me. Yeah. He, he lives in Germany and he has like a, like a nice wakeboarding boat over there on the, on the, on the lake.

And he wants me, he wants me to come over there this summer. So who knows? Maybe we'll see you over in Germany this summer. You should, you should come over. It'll be cool. Uh, it's like such a different world. Like, um, you know, I was, I was just in, obviously I mentioned I was in Tennessee for like a week and, um, why, why were you there?

I was there to film with, with Aaron Gwynn, um. Oh, sick. So, yeah, I was there for, for first week of, of May. I was there. Um, so just like, not, not too long. Um, and yeah, we got to get up to Nashville for a day, um, and stuff, but it's just. It's just like crazy how different life is on that side of the world compared to Europe.

And also I've been to, now I've been to like the Ohio area, like Chicago, um, New York, Florida. Um, and then going to Tennessee, like that was like so different to, to like everywhere else that I've been. It was like the movies, um, which is America's crazy because it's, it's one country, but it's almost like every state is its own country.

Oh yeah. Absolutely. You ever been to Florida? Uh, well I went to Miami. Um, but. We were just there for like three days, so not exactly, didn't get to see that much, just more or less around the city in a kind of typical tourist spots. Yeah. That's cool. I like Florida. Yeah. Not so much Miami. I'm sure that the East Coast is also totally different too, to that side of the world as well.

Yeah, there is. There's a lot of cool places here and, uh, next year. Yeah. Do you know like yet what's, what your plans are yet? Or like same sort of deal? Uh, same state. I hope so. I hope, hope we can kind of keep the same deals locked in and yeah, like I said, I wanna work my butt off for next year. I wanna, I wanna have a good year this year.

I was kind of my building year and next year we'll uh, need to send it a little bit more, get in some of those main events. I think I can do it. What, what's like ultimate kind of, I mean obviously everyone starts, they wanna win. Like, for you now, like what would be like the ultimate kind of goal, um, for the season?

Just to try to get in as many main events as possible. I mean, get in the main events and try to kick some butt in those two. But man, just, just getting in those main events is, is huge for me. And you ever think about doing any outdoors? Just like, not, not a season, but like, like just like a one off, or not really?

No, I haven't, I haven't actually never even done one. I've been in Tip Pro for this long. Really? No way. Line up? No. Alright. Here's my theory on it. Uh, for one, I'm not as good at it. Two, it's a lot more money to go racing, especially if you're on a two 50 'cause you're damn near gonna blow your bike up every single weekend.

Three, the payout is shit. It is so horrible. Compared to Supercross four sponsors could give two shits about outdoors compared to Supercross. Five, it would interrupt my boating season, man. I don't know if I can do that.

No, I, I, I wanna go to some this year. I have a bunch of buddies racing, so I'm probably gonna go and just hang out at a couple of them. There's a couple, like Red Buds only about three and a half hours from here. High points about two and a half hours, so go hang out, film some stuff. Be goofy, but yeah, no, definitely not though.

I don't think there's some like little like local, local money races and stuff around here, like little fair races and stuff that'll get like some, a couple grand to win or something. I like doing some of those during, out the, or throughout the summertime. I make more money doing that than I would go into Red Bud, you know.

But what's uh, and and have you given any thoughts to what you're gonna do next, uh, when you decide to, to hang up the boots? Not a hundred percent. I wanna buy some property though. I wanna buy some property and sit on that and eventually, hopefully build a house here in Ohio and. I do like to have a little spot down in Florida to like a little condo down there.

Mm-hmm. But to say what I, if I know what I'm gonna do with the rest of my life, sure do not.

That is the big question, isn't it? Um, yeah. But right now life's, life's pretty cool. I don't know. I've never been like a big planner when comes to stuff like that, which I know it's stupid. I, I should be planning kind of more ahead of, but like, I always book hotels last second. I booked flights last second.

And I don't know, I'm just not a big planner. I don't wanna know what I'm doing tomorrow. Uh, I mean, is there anything, I mean, you, you kind of went about this whole thing quite, um, differently than a lot of, a lot of races do. Um, you know, didn't go that a kind of typical route. Is there anything that you would've changed or kind of regret that, you know, from your career?

I don't, I really don't think so. I mean, if he would've told me when I was, you know, 14 or 15, that I would kind of be able to build the name that I am today and, you know, make money racing dirt bikes for, for 10 years and have a hell of a time doing it. I think I'd be pretty stoked on that. Obviously everybody wants to do a little bit better throughout their career, but I mean, I've had some very good years.

I've gotten top 10, uh, in, uh, two 50 East Coast Supercross in the points. That was a big one for me. I've qualified for East West shootouts. I've made a lot of four 50 Maine events. I think I've made upwards of like 30 something, two 50 Maine events. Like, I don't know, man, I'm, I'm pretty stoked at my career actually, how it all, how it all came about.

Dude. Um, there's one more question that I'll ask every guest. Uh, what does success mean to you? I don't think, I've never been somebody that thinks like you need to have a ton of money to be successful. Mm-hmm. I think, uh. Dude, just being like genuinely happy I think is cool. I think that's success. I don't know.

That meant kind of a stupid answer, but just to be happy, dude. Just be happy with life. Wake up every day and just be stoked on life and I don't know, I think that's success. I agree. Dude, this is, uh, thanks so much man. This has been, uh, it's been rad catching up and uh, it was a, it was a cool chat. It's been a minute, dude.

Hell yeah. I appreciate chatting me on.

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